Winter Meetings Day 1 E-mail
Written by Pat Lackey   
Monday, 08 December 2008 09:25

I'll use this as a bit of an open thread that I'm going to try and post updates on throughout the day. Anything big that happens will get its own post as soon as I can get to it, of course. You can always post anything you find in the comments (or in the forum! hint hint) and I'll get to it as soon as I can.

9:21- Last night DK wrote at midnight that the Tigers and Pirates would talk today about Wilson, but word out of Vegas first thing this morning from John Perrotto is that the Tigers are growing less interested in Wilson and prefer to use Larish to try and get JJ Putz from Seattle. That, frankly, sounds to like an attempt by the Tigers to make Larish seems more valuable and try to get the Pirates to take him in exchange for Wilson. We shall see.

12:30- Because it's just 9:30 in the morning in Vegas, nothing has actually happened yet. For now, I'll just share the links that I'm keeping an eye on this week. Aaron Gleeman is at the meetings for Rotoworld and keeping a blog. The BP guys (Kevin Goldstein, John Perrotto, and Will Carroll)should be updating the "Unfiltered" blog during the week. Dejan's blog will, of course, be up to the second and the only place that's focusing on just the Pirates. MLB Trade Rumors basically works as an RSS reader for rumors thanks to Tim's superhuman work there. Ken Rosenthal will write about everything that's even whispered and he churns out a lot of scoops, so keep an eye on him. ESPN also has a blog being updated by Buster Olney, Peter Gammons, and who knows who else, so they're worth watching as well.

2:54- Dejan's reporting that the Tigers won't trade for Jack Wilson because they'd rather sign Adam Everett. Everett's played in 110 games with an OPS+ of about 60 over the last two years, which should tell you how highly the Tigers think of Wilson. DK also reports the Twins are in on the bidding. Here's John Sickels' list of the top 20 Twins' prospects, if you're in to wishful thinking.

3:19- The Philadelphia Daily News says the Phillies are interested in the almost certainly available Delmon Young. The reason this is interesting to Pirate fans is that the Twins are looking for a shortstop and the Phils have shortstop prospect Donald in the minors. While he's likely ready for the bigs, he's blocked by Jimmy Rollins for the forseeable future. If the Twins are trading for Jason Donald, they're not trading for Jack Wilson. If you think we're getting Delmon Young for Jack Wilson, you're insane. (link via Rotoworld)

3:30- Ken Rosenthal confirms Dejan's earlier report; Adam Everett is signing with the Tigers.

4:37- From Aaron Gleeman:

Listening to a Pittsburgh writer talk about the situation this morning, it sounds like the Pirates may simply opt to keep Wilson for now and possibly look to deal him at midseason.

I don't think Wilson will be anything other than less valuable at mid-season and given how aggressively he's being shopped, I think Huntington probably agrees, but it's still worth noting.

5:07- Robothal (same link as before) says the Pirates may be one of the five teams interested in David Eckstein. I am going to refrain from making snide comments and just leave it at "I'd rather this didn't happen."

8:27- Dejan talks to Huntington and gets a good day 1 review. Check it out.


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Curtis said:

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I know Homer Bailey has struggled lately, but he is only 22. That deal for Dye seems nuts.
 
December 08, 2008
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Bishop said:

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If you think we're getting Delmon Young for Jack Wilson, you're insane.

Pat - we're Pirates fans. I think the insane part goes without saying.

On this matter, however, I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I think NH has missed the window on dealing Jack Wilson by incorrectly judging the market for a light-hitting, decent glove shortstop. Maybe the Dodgers will still be interested, but I have to think that with Furcal rejecting the A's offer last week, they are back in the mix for him.
 
December 08, 2008
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Emma said:

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OH GOD NOT ECKSTEIN
 
December 08, 2008
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MrPedriqueIfYou'reNasty said:

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The Everett deal is proof to me that Detroit has no idea what they're doing, he'll be lucky to OPS 60 this year and his range isn't what it used to be I would have to assume. Why bother signing talent if you don't do everything that it takes to win with it?

And really, aren't the odds of JJ Putz having major surgery higher than him being a dominant closer?

I will never understand the over valuation of closers.
 
December 08, 2008
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Tiiimmmmmmmmmyyyyyy said:

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If we sign Eckstein does that mean we can't resign Mienty? The amount of gritty, vetranosity with both would probably be illegal.
 
December 09, 2008
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Nate said:

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If we sign Eckstein, I'll freaking flip, precisely because we're dealing away a shortstop that's almost exactly like him but a little better. Unless Eckstein is coming way cheaper than Wilson, (which I doubt, what with the whole "WORLD SERIES MVP! ZOMGZ!" thing under his belt) that's just a dumb and redundant decision.
 
December 09, 2008
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w.k. kortas said:

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The fact that Dave Dombrowski had a man love for Jack Wilson unseen since the halcyon days of Lloyd McClendon, and then spurned him to sign Brian Bixler, Sr., tells you all you need to know about the Tigers' future
 
December 09, 2008
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gregschuler said:

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Eckstein made only 2.5 mil last season - teams have correctly valued his worth even if sports writers and fans overestimate his gritty whiteness. Eckstein might get a multi-year deal, but he will not be more expensive or as expensive as Wilson.

A clubhouse with Eckstein and Mientkiewicz - is that physically possible or would the Hadron collider explode?
 
December 09, 2008
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gregschuler said:

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Everett is a minus, but if healthy and playing to his defensive capabilities, he is an asset (like Wilson). When you have Granderson, Ordonez, Cabrera and Guillen (if they play to norms) you can carry Everett.

If Furcal goes back to LA, Wilson stays here. I doubt Toronto would want anything to do with Huntington and I can't see a team that needs a veteran expensive offensive deadweight with a declining glove. Then again, everyone crowed about the value Huntington got for Nady and Bay at the trade deadline, so who cares if the Pirates keep Wilson.
 
December 09, 2008
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gregschuler said:

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Why not Jon Garland as a veteran starter? He underperformed last season, but with a league change - he makes some sense. Of course, it might take Gil Meche money to get it done, but Garland eats innings, has never been hurt and has been productive in a tougher league.
 
December 09, 2008
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w.k. kortas said:

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[but Garland eats innings, has never been hurt and has been productive in a tougher league.
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Welllll...I look at that declining K rate, and I see "rich man's Walt Terrell."
 
December 09, 2008
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MrPedriqueIfYou'reNasty said:

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If Garland is willing to grow a ridiculous mustache, then we can talk.
 
December 09, 2008
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MrPedriqueIfYou'reNasty said:

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The thing about Detroit is that they scored only a slightly above average amount of runs while allowing a ton. The problem is that they're stepping way down offensively at SS, 3B, and probably C unless you think that Laird can hit outside of Texas while crossing their fingers and hoping that their pitching gets better. Its not really a recipe for success.
 
December 09, 2008
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Pat said:

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Laird will have to be an upgrade over Inge/Pudge at the plate. Those two were terrible last year. And Renteria only hit about as well as Jack Wilson last year, so if Everett is healthy and plays good defense he's a big upgrade over him at short.
 
December 09, 2008
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MrPedriqueIfYou'reNasty said:

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Really? Renteria was that bad? Well then how did he get a big contract this offseason...? Oh. Ohhhhhhh!
 
December 09, 2008
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gregschuler said:

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Correction - Eckstein made 4.5 million last. He will be lucky to see that again this season, but really, it only takes one team.

RE: Garland - yeah, there are risks, but a league change might help. He is a ground ball pitcher, so that helps if the Pirates end up keeping Wilson. That said, the Pirates won't feel inclined to offer a Meche-type cotnract ($11 mil per season) so it won't matter in the end.

RE: Detroit - please note the state "if they play to norms" as my qualifier. Detroit has issues, but from their point of view, if those aforementioned players stay healthy and produce at career norm rates, you can hide an Everett in the lineup, assuming Everett is healthy. Defensive efficiency is taking hold very quickly amoney front offices as an extension of run prevention and way to improve pitching. The Pirates would be wise to follow.
 
December 10, 2008
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