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w.k. kortas
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... As Pat suggests, I'd have to say there's more going on here as well. After all, Gorzo got several chances to right the ship last year, and, if his problems are health-related, why not the DL instead of AAA. Even though all the reports noted how much weight he'd dropped, you have to wonder if there's something else in the way he goes about his business that management just doesn't cotton to. |
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SteelCity G
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... maybe he just isn't a good pitcher, could that be so unlikely, he had a kinda good year 2 years ago before any batters knew who he was. He's not a strikeout guy so batters are laying off stuff they swung at before and he he doesn't have the control necessary to pitch when guys aren't swinging at bad pitches. He did look good before, but littlefield drafted him so he prob stinks or his arm is messed up. No clue who to fill the rotation with though, other than maholm who looks legit, snell is a question mark and the rest are gonna get lit up. |
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Mark
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... I agree that there has to be something larger going on here. With the way he pitched this spring, I could see him being optioned to AAA to start the season, but this seems a bit early to do so. By my count, it's only the third or so round of cuts. I don't agree with the notion that he 'just isn't a good pitcher.' Despite the less than stellar record, Gorzo had a very strong 2007, and pitched very well. The pitcher we saw last year looked nothing like the 07 version. This wasn't a case of having a huge ML debut, and then coming back to earth, a la Zach Duke. There seems to be something larger going on with Gorzo. |
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azibuck
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Huh? In 2007 he was 14-10, that's not "less than stellar" in my book. His peripherals didn't match up to that record and the 3.88 ERA. He wasn't nearly as good in the 2nd half of 2007 as he was in the first. Some can blame Tracy/Colborn for overworking him, but I think it's possible he's not that good. He lost velocity last year, and I've got a pet theory that he's a red-ass. |
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SteelCity G
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... Would it be the first time a player had a good season early in his career then lost it for some reason and just were not good players before? Dontrelle willis had it, lost it and just isnt a good pitcher anymore, Ben Grieve looked like a hall of famer his rookie year, had it, lost it, and was never a good player again, hundreds on the list this happens to, It happens. Tracy jumped his innings way up his good season, and maybe he wasnt as good as he pitched that season anyhow. He's had one good season and he's 27, not 24, he just might not be a good pitcher anymore. |
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mocasdad
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I have just one little request... Not megabucks; not a night with Eva Mendes, or the chance to taser everyone getting a million dollar bonus at AIG. No, my request is this...could we once, just once, have a promising Pirate starting pitcher not regress in a significant way. Ahh, Paul Maholm you say. Seems reasonable, but he's never actually been all that good IMO. Steady, solid #4-5 starter on a GOOD team; but never the flashes of elevated potential we've seen in Wells, Ollie, Gorzellany, Snell, even Benson, and doubtless others whose memory my aging brain is protecting me from. Maybe Maholm will put it all together this year. To which I say, I fear for him in 2010. Sorry, I know these boards are the domain for rational, statistic-fed dialog. But you have to admit, this is utterly disheartening. Every freakin year. |
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Nate
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... I think signing Pedro Martinez would be an interesting move for the Pirates. If they sign him on the cheap with an incentive-heavy contract, he's the kind of guy who can prove he'll have a comeback year and then be flipped to a team that's just out of contention at the trade deadline for a decent prospect haul. There's certainly nothing to lose with the deal, especially if he's only signed as a #5 pitcher. It's not like we're talking Matt Morris and his $10 million contract here. |
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bucdaddy
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... Willis isn't comparable, he was probably going to be an excellent long term pitcher before he got brutally overworked by the Marlins. Look at his inning counts for his first four years, and keep in mind he had some postseason innings added on. The Marlins rode that horse as far as they could, and then found a sucker to take him. I won a beer bet last year against a guy who thought Willis would win 15 with the Detroit offense behind him. I predicted Willis would totally collapse, based on the direction his numbers had been heading for three seasons. The guy has yet to buy me that beer ... Anyway, the way the Marlins run things, they have no incentive not to get every last drop out of a fine player before he hits free agency, even if that means he'll have a couple crappy years for them at the end. |
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azibuck
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... Maholm's 2008 compares very favorably to Gorzelanny's 2007. They're almost identical in fact. Without the W-L record: IP H BB K ERA+ WHIP 206.3 201 63 139 111 1.279 201.7 214 68 135 112 1.398 |
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BSpar
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What? His peripherals matched just fine until the final 3 starts which blew everything out of the water. The Verducci effect caught him. He surpassed the threshold 3 years straight. Is it any wonder the velocity fell off. I'm surprised he can move his arm at this point. Doesn't mean he is done, but it may take a half year for him to finish coming around. |
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