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Piecing together the draft: Part 2 E-mail
Written by Pat Lackey   
Tuesday, 02 June 2009 10:42

After I finished up my first piece on the draft on Sunday night, suddenly a lot of the consensus (based on Goldstein's work at BP and Keith Law's Twitter feed, since I don't pay for ESPN Insider), has suddenly seemed to shift towards Aaron Crow dropping in the draft, potentially out of the top ten. That would, of course, indicate that the Pirates would pass on Crow for someone else. With the caveat that no one really has any idea what's going to happen beyond Strasburg and Ackely going first and second, what might the Pirates be thinking if they pass on Crow?

One thing to consider is that they have two second round picks, at #49 and #53. That #49 pick is compensation for not signing Scheppers last year, so they have to pick someone they know they can sign there, because that pick's not coming back. What's interesting to consider though, is that a bunch of pitchers are all falling down the draft boards at the moment because of signability issues. On top of Crow dropping, high schoolers Jacob Turner, Tyler Matzek, and Matt Purke are all rumored to want "Porcello money." It's a stretch to think that any of those guys will be available at 49, but since we're handicapped a bit with that pick we'd have to wait until 53 to even consider it and it's even more of a long shot that they'll be around then.

A more interesting thing to consider? Kyle Gibson. It seemed like the Pirates had locked in on him before his elbow injury and it's hard to say how that injury is really going to affect his draft status. Could he fall to the 49th pick? It seems unlikely, but I guess it's possible. It's not really out of the realm of possibility that someone that was seen as a middle-first round talent falls down that far with signability issues, but predicting this draft is not easy to do.

This is where we (and the Pirates) are left with a difficult question. Let's say they like Aaron Crow, but they don't love him. I've heard criticisms of Crow that seem pretty valid; there's always an injury risk, he might not develop a third good pitch, and he might not have a ton of room to grow from where he is right now. It's certainly fair and not really unreasonable if the Pirates evaluate Crow as worth less than the $4-$4.5 million he's demanding right now. So what if the Pirates decide, as today's Chuck Finder piece indicates, that they've decided that they like Sanchez as much as Crow and that they want to use the difference in bonus money to sign more draft picks?

The Pirates signed, users a manual count of WTM's rundown of last year's draft, 32 of 50 picks last year. That's a pretty good haul, but they were pretty clearly bumping their heads against the ceiling by the end of things. When they signed Quinton Miller, they only signed him because they failed to sign Drew Gagnon and Tanner Scheppers.  Presumably, with the money not spent on a first round pick, it would allow the Pirates to be both more aggressive in signing the guys they draft and more aggressive in drafting guys like Miller, Robby Grossman, Wesley Freeman, and the like.

This strategy (if it is indeed the one the Pirates embark on) makes me a little uneasy for a couple of reasons. The first reason is that I'm not sure this is a great strategy. First and second round picks are generally fairly safe, in terms of the baseball draft. They're not slam dunks like football and basketball, but a pretty high percentage of them (about half, in total) end up in the Major Leagues. Passing on a guy that's an upper-first round talent to sign more guys that aren't seems risky to me. The second question I have is why we can't spend the money on both Crow and our late draft picks. I understand that there has to be some kind of budget on the draft and Latin American signings, but if they're "not being limited" as John Perrotto reports today, what's another $2 million on a draft pick? It's one thing if they think that Sanchez and Crow are equal as prospects, but I don't think they are and I don't think many people do.

One thing that's for sure is that the success of this draft shouldn't be measured solely by their first round pick, as it has been the first two years. Crow or Grant Green, or probably even Sanchez would all make be nice additions to the organization, but the Pirates need to have a draft that's at least as deep as last year's where they signed eight of their top nine picks and were getting value from picks as late as the 20th round.


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matt w said:

two things
1. How does the success rate of first/second rounders break down between pitchers and position players? I've been reading a lot lately saying that even pitchers drafted high have a pretty low success rate, so it might be a better strategy to try to draft a whole bunch of pitchers and see who sticks.

2. What would you think of the strategy of drafting someone who wants a lot of money but not offering them much above slot, figuring that if they don't sign the no. 5 pick next year could be better than the no. 4 this year?
 
June 09, 2009
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whygavs said:

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Not sure of the statistical breakdown, but I wrote a bit about drafting pitchers high in the draft last month:

http://www.whygavs.com/20090514282/pittsburgh-pirates/may-2009/bad-teams-high-draft-picks-and-pitchers-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy.html

As for signing someone just to get an extra pick next year, frankly, I'd much rather have the player now. We need all the help we can get and there are good players available this year. It might not be the same level of talent as other years, but beggars can't be choosers.
 
June 09, 2009
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SteelCity G said:

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I don't understand why one pick affects another, they should be drafting the best player available with every pick and signing everyone they can, to an extent, no matter what it costs. An organization so devoid of talent should be drafting and signing all the best players they can. I for sure don't get signing a cheaper 1st round pick to sign other picks. No matter what the draft total spent won't equal last years so every pick should be able to be maximized by taking the best player and signing them no matter the price tag.
 
June 09, 2009
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bucsuck said:

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they better grab leake if they can get him - lowest era, second in strikeouts, quality school, quality division - my opinion is when in doubt draft pitching - never enough of it and you can always trade for a bat
 
June 09, 2009
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whygavs said:

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Leake is a pretty small guy (5'11") and he threw a lot of innings at Arizona State in his three years there, which from what I understand has some teams concerned about his health.
 
June 09, 2009
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matt w said:

good points
I'd forgotten that you'd talked about that Boswell article, which is what I was thinking of. The numbers do look pretty stark but I think you might be right that teams know more about how to handle pitchers now and that might change things.

I also agree about signing the player, also because I think drafting a player you don't intend to sign is just morally wrong, and could really damage the team's reputation with players and agents. They might be able to use the idea to use as leverage to get the pick to sign (as in, "If you don't sign, it hurts you more than us"), but they probably should make a serious effort.
 
June 09, 2009
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Tim Williams said:

Take the guarantee
Pat,

Last year the Pirates did well taking Grossman (ranked a sandwich round talent), Freeman (ranked a 3rd round talent) and Miller (ranked a 4th round talent) late in the draft.

However, I feel that banking a strategy on doing this type of thing every year would be similar to DL expecting to see a Kenny Lofton, Reggie Sanders, and Jeff Suppan on the free agent list every year when Spring Training starts.

I think the Pirates should take the guaranteed top guys, and not focus on getting value picks later. Of course maybe they think Sanchez IS a top guy (after all, the only thing that suggests he isn't is other rankings, and that's just a difference of opinion).

My theory is that they think guys like Matzek and Turner have a better chance of slipping to the 2nd due to their demands, and that Sanchez will have no shot of going to the 2nd due to his signability factor.
 
June 09, 2009
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whygavs said:

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Defintely agree that Purke/Matzek/Turner et al are more likely to be around later than Sanchez is, but actually counting on that is playing with fire with all the big money teams picking right in front at the end of the first/sandwich round.

It's also worth noting that they can't roll the dice on those guys with the 49th pick because they won't get it back if they don't sign them, so they'd have to fall to #53. If they're available at 49, they'll probably still be there at 53, but it is a risk.
 
June 09, 2009
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Tim Williams said:

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I agree that it's a risk hoping one of those guys falls to them.

Personally I'd rather just take Aaron Crow. I agree with what you said above, that it's not a huge difference. I'm guessing Crow would cost about $2 M more than Sanchez. I don't think that will limit the Pirates in their spending later in the draft.

Hopefully Seattle and San Diego will pass on Dustin Ackley, making this an extremely easy decision for the Pirates.
 
June 09, 2009
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Vlad said:

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"So what if the Pirates decide, as today's Chuck Finder piece indicates, that they've decided that they like Sanchez as much as Crow..."

If they decide that, then they should start by firing every goddamn scout in the building. Sanchez isn't a first-round talent. I'm not even entirely convinced that he's a second-round talent.
 
June 09, 2009
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Corey said:

Corey
What is your evaluation of Sanchez based upon? He seems to have pretty good numbers and the admittedly limited press I have read raves about his defensive abilities. This is the MLB draft. There are very, very few sure things.
 
June 09, 2009
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Vlad said:

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The scouting consensus is that he won't hit for much average, and I agree with that. His swing is too long, and he has trouble with breaking stuff. He also had conditioning issues through most of college, which are particularly bad for a catcher in that they often lead to knee problems. It's nice that he lost all the weight before this year, but I'm skeptical that he's going to keep it off once he cashes his check. And despite his stats, I don't think he's got more than average wood-bat power.

Good glove is nice, but with that kind of offensive profile, what's the upside here? Darren Fletcher? We should be hunting bigger game, and draft someone with at least a chance of becoming an actual star.
 
June 09, 2009
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Nate said:

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A pre-draft deal with Sanchez has been reached, according to ESPN.

*Sigh*
 
June 09, 2009
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Corey said:

Thanks
Thanks, Vlad. I am all over the place about how this pick, if it turns out this way, looks to me. I won't get totally enraged until the draft is done, but talk about starting off on the wrong foot.
 
June 09, 2009
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