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whygavs
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... Not sure of the statistical breakdown, but I wrote a bit about drafting pitchers high in the draft last month: http://www.whygavs.com/20090514282/pittsburgh-pirates/may-2009/bad-teams-high-draft-picks-and-pitchers-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy.html As for signing someone just to get an extra pick next year, frankly, I'd much rather have the player now. We need all the help we can get and there are good players available this year. It might not be the same level of talent as other years, but beggars can't be choosers. |
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SteelCity G
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... I don't understand why one pick affects another, they should be drafting the best player available with every pick and signing everyone they can, to an extent, no matter what it costs. An organization so devoid of talent should be drafting and signing all the best players they can. I for sure don't get signing a cheaper 1st round pick to sign other picks. No matter what the draft total spent won't equal last years so every pick should be able to be maximized by taking the best player and signing them no matter the price tag. |
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bucsuck
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... they better grab leake if they can get him - lowest era, second in strikeouts, quality school, quality division - my opinion is when in doubt draft pitching - never enough of it and you can always trade for a bat |
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whygavs
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... Leake is a pretty small guy (5'11") and he threw a lot of innings at Arizona State in his three years there, which from what I understand has some teams concerned about his health. |
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matt w
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good points I'd forgotten that you'd talked about that Boswell article, which is what I was thinking of. The numbers do look pretty stark but I think you might be right that teams know more about how to handle pitchers now and that might change things. I also agree about signing the player, also because I think drafting a player you don't intend to sign is just morally wrong, and could really damage the team's reputation with players and agents. They might be able to use the idea to use as leverage to get the pick to sign (as in, "If you don't sign, it hurts you more than us"), but they probably should make a serious effort. |
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Tim Williams
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Take the guarantee Pat, Last year the Pirates did well taking Grossman (ranked a sandwich round talent), Freeman (ranked a 3rd round talent) and Miller (ranked a 4th round talent) late in the draft. However, I feel that banking a strategy on doing this type of thing every year would be similar to DL expecting to see a Kenny Lofton, Reggie Sanders, and Jeff Suppan on the free agent list every year when Spring Training starts. I think the Pirates should take the guaranteed top guys, and not focus on getting value picks later. Of course maybe they think Sanchez IS a top guy (after all, the only thing that suggests he isn't is other rankings, and that's just a difference of opinion). My theory is that they think guys like Matzek and Turner have a better chance of slipping to the 2nd due to their demands, and that Sanchez will have no shot of going to the 2nd due to his signability factor. |
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whygavs
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... Defintely agree that Purke/Matzek/Turner et al are more likely to be around later than Sanchez is, but actually counting on that is playing with fire with all the big money teams picking right in front at the end of the first/sandwich round. It's also worth noting that they can't roll the dice on those guys with the 49th pick because they won't get it back if they don't sign them, so they'd have to fall to #53. If they're available at 49, they'll probably still be there at 53, but it is a risk. |
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Tim Williams
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... I agree that it's a risk hoping one of those guys falls to them. Personally I'd rather just take Aaron Crow. I agree with what you said above, that it's not a huge difference. I'm guessing Crow would cost about $2 M more than Sanchez. I don't think that will limit the Pirates in their spending later in the draft. Hopefully Seattle and San Diego will pass on Dustin Ackley, making this an extremely easy decision for the Pirates. |
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Vlad
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... "So what if the Pirates decide, as today's Chuck Finder piece indicates, that they've decided that they like Sanchez as much as Crow..." If they decide that, then they should start by firing every goddamn scout in the building. Sanchez isn't a first-round talent. I'm not even entirely convinced that he's a second-round talent. |
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Corey
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Corey What is your evaluation of Sanchez based upon? He seems to have pretty good numbers and the admittedly limited press I have read raves about his defensive abilities. This is the MLB draft. There are very, very few sure things. |
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Vlad
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... The scouting consensus is that he won't hit for much average, and I agree with that. His swing is too long, and he has trouble with breaking stuff. He also had conditioning issues through most of college, which are particularly bad for a catcher in that they often lead to knee problems. It's nice that he lost all the weight before this year, but I'm skeptical that he's going to keep it off once he cashes his check. And despite his stats, I don't think he's got more than average wood-bat power. Good glove is nice, but with that kind of offensive profile, what's the upside here? Darren Fletcher? We should be hunting bigger game, and draft someone with at least a chance of becoming an actual star. |
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Corey
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Thanks Thanks, Vlad. I am all over the place about how this pick, if it turns out this way, looks to me. I won't get totally enraged until the draft is done, but talk about starting off on the wrong foot. |
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