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bwzimmerman
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... well, don't call it too disappointing until we see how those picks they missed shake out. i was bummed to see Gibson & Scheppers grabbed up, but lets see what it takes those other teams to sign Crow, et al. obviously though, this puts more pressure on what they lay out for Latin America next month. |
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HandsomeSam
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... Damn you, Moskos!!! http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/orioles_top_prospect_wins?utm_source=a-section |
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GrtSm
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Wow With the 49th and 53rd pick, why couldn't we draft Mychal Givens???? He was projected as a first rounder, while I had never heard of the bums they took. In fact, I never really had heard much about Tony Sanchez either. |
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bucsucks
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... very disappointing - i'm only an outsider looking in but a lot of really good arms on the board when they made their pick - in fact if they wanted this kid i think he would have made it to the second round - no one knows for sure - i've supported the new front office all the way (even with mcclouth) - till now - this screams of money and signability and against what "they" have said out of their own mouths - going to take "the best talent available" "can never have enough pitching" - on the heels of an unpopular trade and now this NH may not have stooped to the depths of DL, but i'm sure in some peoples mind he's getting close |
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cjc
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... Was at the draft party at PNC last night and NH had some interesting remarks about Crow in particular---liked him better last year, always worry about a guy who takes a step back at age 22, quite frankly we had several high school arms ahead of him, etc. First thing he said was I know the Sanchez pick is going to upset a lot of people. Right or wrong, he has a plan and isn't dissuaded by fan base reaction. |
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ndbrian
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... I think we have a definite strategy.. I really think the Buccos might be implementing a larger strategy with this pick. And it's summed up below. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE You can see it in the McLouth trade for a plu defender. You can see it in grabbing LaRoche and Moss. You can see it in this pick. You can see it in picking up Jaramillo and Diaz. While Alvarez isn't exactly a defensive wizard, he happened to be an exception b/c he's that good with the bat. That's why I think they're holding Steve Pearce back. I think NH has realized that amazing defense is much much cheaper than a team of hitters. So we can keep people around longer and still win. If we become so good defensively that we make up for the lack of runs, maybe it'll work. We'll loook a lot like the mid-80's Cardinals, no power hitters, save a Jack Clark, speed at the top, great defense, above average pitching (the last one is a stretch I realize). And we even have Nyjmo, who reminds me a ton of Willie McGee (never sees a pitch he doesn't like and never sees a catcher he doesn't want to run on) Just a theory. |
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w.k. kortas
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... While I agree that Sanchez has some significant red flags--when you take pains to emphasize your signability, that's not a good sign, and he will more than likely see some of the breaking stuff he's said to have problems with at some point in his pro career--Sano is still the elephant in the corner with this draft. If the Pirates can sign him, the level of amateur talent they've brought on board is obviously cast in a different light. |
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cjc
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... Also said it's easy to fall in love with high school arms, and gave stats on the dismal percentages from early rounds that ever make the big leagues. Clearly prepared remarks expecting the rather predictable questions from the crowd---money, Sano, establishing a big league core and sticking with it, McLouth. |
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Bishop
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... NH never said Sanchez was the third-best player in the draft; he said Sanchez was third on their board. The Pirates' draft board is made up differently than other teams, much like the A's board under Billy Beane in Moneyball, as they have to look at things such as signability whereas other teams don't worry so much about that. If NH did not view any of the other choices with the 4th pick as worth 4th pick money, then he was right to draft down, pay less than slot and save the money for later picks. Look at the NFL. Can anyone honestly tell me that Alex Smith or Matthew Stafford are worth the obscene amount of money that they got as 1st-overall picks? They're not, but in the NFL, you get that kind of money for being 1st, not for being the best. It is smart of NH not to overpay for players if he and the FO don't think they are worth it. Matzek wanting $7MM? After hearing that kid speak and be so concerned about $$, I wouldn't give him $7, let alone one-million times that. |
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Bishop
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... ...cut off. why on earth would they want to draft him and have to deal with Boras whispering in his ear? He has an out, since he could go to college, so unless the Pirates caved to his every demand, he would walk. Yes, they would get a replacement pick next year, but then everyone would just get pissed that NH didn't close the deal with the 1st-round draft pick. NH is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He isn't going to please the fans unless he is spending gobs of money, but again, I ask, why should he if the talent is not equal to the demand for cash? |
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spazaru
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... I'm fairly happy so far. All signs indicate there are no sure things in this draft and Sanchez at least wants to sign and get to work or so he says. I'm still annoyed with Alvarez over last year and all his strikeouts don't make me any happier. I'm glad NH didn't overpay some hyped prospect again. Some of the late rounders might be our best hope! |
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cjc
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... Doing this in stages from work. Sounded from NH's remarks last night that Bucs liked Gibson, but injury made it too much of a gamble. Bishop is right in the comment below--NH said Sanchez was number 3 on the Bucs board. Clearly, the board considers multiple factors. I would image that most important among these was the lack of consensus standouts after #1 and 2 who, in FO's opinion, justified the dollars they were seeking. As NH said, they had internal dollar values on all of these guys, and it seems reasonable to me not to overpay, particulary when you looking to ultimately sign 30 or so plus working the internatinal market. |
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bwzimmerman
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... hear here beer here! We've spent the past year hearing how this was not to be a deep high-quality draft beyond SS and Ackley. I'd hate to see the draft treated like the last 5 minutes of an eBay auction where you make rash decisions with money. |
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The Duke from Dukes Court
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... NH has to back up the Sanchez pick by drafting players with high ceilings who want higher than draft slot money. He has yet to make one of those picks, but those types of picks tend to happen in the mid to late rounds rather than on Day 1. Nate McClouth was a 25th round pick who the Pirates payed well over slot money to sign back in 2000. Sadly drafting Nate was the exception rather than the rule in previous Pirates' drafts. |
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Judge Smails
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Diesel Just when I thought they had hit a low they go and do this draft. I think the first round pick is a waste just like Bullington. We will never see sanchez do anything. This front office is just to damn cheap. They could care less about winning. I never thought that before but now I am seeing the light. These guys are focused on lining their pockets and if the pirates contend. Great! If not, who cares. They are still getting money from revenue sharing. The fans are screwed until this team is sold. Doesn't matter who the GM is as long as you have a just barely millionaire running the team. |
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Ed Heupler
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Draft I can't comment on the player, but comment on the comments about him. When I read "signability", my first thought is "stingy Pirates. Afraid to go after higher quality guys because they cost more." That's the impression one leaves (intended or not) when management uses careless language like "signability" or "core player" (the McLouth comment). As to a catcher: why draft one at all (or at least, why first)? We all know the crap shoot that is pitching. If our organization is so pitching-poor, why get a catcher? Were in desperate need of one? Will he be the guy to replace Doumit in a couple of years? And if so, will the Pirates have anyone who can hit more than 10 HRs in a season? |
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