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Philip
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... The same people who are upset over him leaving are probably the same ones who wanted him demoted for Pearce after spring training. Just human nature i guess. |
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whygavs
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... You know, one of saddest parts about this trade is losing your undying enthusiasm for Nyjmo (I'm being serious). Any potential replacements? |
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The Cobra
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... People point out that "he couldn't make the worst teamin baseball's roster" but in reality, they demoted him after 7 games... that to me tell me they just didn't have patience with him this year... imagine if the oganization passed judgement on Andy LaRoche after just seven games... I'm excited to have 2/3 of our OF dredded up |
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bwzimmerman
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... allowing for the fact that he's never gotten a legit chance on the parent squad, i've never been a believer in Pearce. But then, as stated, i'm a sucker for speedy spray hitters, love small-ball, and think power-profiling-by-position is hogwash. and yet i still haunt this site. go fig ;) |
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bwzimmerman
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... yeah, that was my last one - i wanted to end it on something positive. strangely enough, the gf and i might be in town for his first visit as a Nat... AFA potential replacements? unlikely this season, though i see promise in GORKYS THE PIRATE... PS. when they trade Freddy, i'll be flying back for the candlelight vigil. |
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scsteve
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... and why are we trading with the worst team in the majors? Unless the guy coming back is Zimmerman... |
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whygavs
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... Because they're poorly run. The Pirates were poorly run and the worst team in the Majors in 2001. Think the Giants regret picking up Jason Schmidt that year? They were one of the worst teams in 2003. Did the Cubs screw up by trading for Aramis Ramirez? Speaking of which, wasn't Ramirez a young, frustrating hitter (with an admittedly much better track record) with an attitude problem at that point that all the Pirate fans thought that the Bucs would be better without? |
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scsteve
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... You're comparing Jason Schmidt to Lastings Milledge? Or even Hanrahan? And How has Ramirez done so far this year??? |
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Curtis
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... Um. He has been injured. And this is after 5+ years of productivity. I think that one worked out pretty well for the Cubs. Although I hear Bobby Hill is about to make a comeback. |
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scsteve
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... I can't seem to recall how many NL flags or World Series the Cubs have won since they have had Ramirez...anyone? |
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matt w
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... Speaking of which, wasn't Ramirez a young, frustrating hitter (with an admittedly much better track record) with an attitude problem at that point that all the Pirate fans thought that the Bucs would be better without? Not me. That might've described him two years before the trade, but by the time he got traded I thought he clearly had a good chance at stardom and I was pissed about the trade. That said, "How has Ramirez done so far this year???" is a silly argument. If Milledge gives us five years of an OPS+ between 126 and 138, and then gets hurt in the sixth year (after OPSing 1.008), then we will have pulled off the steal of the millenium. Definitely if we're using the "how have they done this year?" standard, the Bucs did great to get more than a sack of balls for Nady and Marte. (And that's one year after that trade.) Anyway, it would exceed my expectations if Milledge is as good as Ramirez, but I don't see how people can complain about this trade. You have to take a chance on him. |
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whygavs
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... You should probably just change all your comments to, "Don't argue with me. I'm right." Actually, if you keep this up, I'll do it for you. This is a discussion and if you're going to try and argue that Aramis Ramirez wasn't a good pickup for the Cubs, you're probably not interested in a discussion. |
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matt w
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continued I don't see how people can complain about this trade. You have to take a chance on Milledge, and the worst team is the team you're most likely to fleece. Seriously, some people seem to be so driven by hatred for the Pirates that they'll dump on anything the front office does, short of trading Tyler Yates for David Price. Maybe you guys should take a couple years off from the team. No one could blame you. |
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Pirate in Montana
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Morgan Trade In my opinion, most of the trades I have seen the Pirates make the past few years have been just salary dumps in which the Pirates get "fantasy land" returns. The Nyjer Morgan trade seems to be a really good talent for talent trade for the Pirates. As much as I say bad things about Pirates ownership and front office, I will be one of the few that will say the Morgan trade was a good one. Thanks for your work, Pat. |
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Pirate in Montana
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... Sorry for the typo. I meant "Fantasy Island." As in Mr. Rork and Tattoo. "Le plane, le plane..." |
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Carnegie Chip
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... In other words "Agree with everything NH does or stop watching them?" Is that really the attitude you want to take? You know there were probably fans in Detroit who disagreed with every move Matt Millen made and guess what? THEY WERE RIGHT! Now Pittsburgh is saddled with their very own Matt Millen. A lying weasel who trades good proven major league talent for potential. You know what potential and $.99 gets you? A taco, that's what. If we were the Rays, NH would've traded Carl Crawford and BJ Upton for "organizational depth." I can't wait for the glorious day he's canned although it probably won't be after our 20th consecutive losing season. |
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w.k. kortas
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... Please tell me you're not proposing the equation "Nyjmo=Crawford, Upton". Or even "McLouth=Crawford, Upton". |
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matt w
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... In other words "Agree with everything NH does or stop watching them?" Of course not. But don't reflexively disagree with everything he does either. Or at least, if you do disagree with everything he does, don't be as ridiculous about it as scsteve is being; my formatting incompetence may make it unclear, but that part of the comment was addressed to him. Anyway, I don't think Morgan and Burnett are "good proven major league talent"; adequate proven major league talent, maybe. And potential gets you a good team eventually, if you have enough of it. Every good player was once a potentially good player. |
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matt w
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... and by the way, I was serious when I said "no one could blame you." The Pirates, as a franchise, have tried the patience of their fans considerably. It would be perfectly reasonable to say, "I'm just not going to bother with them until they can put a winning team on the field in PNC." If you've been following them for the last n years, you've already proved that you aren't a fair-weather fan, and have earned the right to disengage until they're better. I just think that trades like this increase the chance that they'll be better eventually. |
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whygavs
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... Upton is still only 24 and Crawford was younger than that when Friedman took over and started building. Name one promising 24-year-old that Huntington has dumped for "organizational depth." |
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bucdaddy
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... Keeee-rist, I don't know HOW we're EVER gonna win a game now without Nyj ... What? 3-0? I meant, let's go, Bucs! -- your average Pirates "fan" |
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scsteve
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... Hey I dont disagree with everything he has done- (I said when the Pirates signed Hinske it was a mistake and I was correct) And sending him to the Yankees...ok, although we shouldn't be sending those bums any cash! Thats it...no more "discussions" from me...you are right. |
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Nate
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... What about Cutch? He's kind of everyone's favorite right now, but he's not entirely dissimilar to Nyjer. They're both fast, gritty type players. Cutch is just a bit more of a dynamic hitter. |
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Nate
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... For what it's worth, I, too, think profiling by position is hogwash. As long as the production comes from somewhere, that's all that matters. |
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Nate
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... He's been hurt. How has he done for his entire Cubs career? To deny that he's one of the best hitting third basemen in the Majors is foolhardy. |
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Nate
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... I know that neither of the players we got back for Hinske are that promising, but I can't believe we actually got two fringe prospects for a mediocre bench player. |
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