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Phil Ford
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... Lived in Pittsburgh, but didn't start watching hockey until the '94 baseball strike? Whatev. Unfortunately, that Carowhina grad school thing and late night video game sessions won't improve your character. |
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Jon Anderson
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Agreement. I'm with you on this one Pat http://www.mceffect.com/2010/0...rates.html |
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bwzimmerman
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beg to differ... this deal would make excellent business sense for both parties and the team - Nutting's family money is primarily tied to newspaper publishing, wheras Mario&Burkle are about to increase their already profitable sports purse with the benefits of the year-round multi-purpose new arena (ie. parking, etc). Nutting relieves himself of a headache, adds at least $300m from the sale, and opens the potential of a table gaming license at Seven Springs, shoring up family finances in case of more industry downturn. Mario&Burkle add another profit stream that is minimally competitive with the Pens/Consol. The PBC gets ownership who have not only proven willing to spend money responsibly in both business and sports realms, but more importantly do not have their primary finances tied to threatened industries. |
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bwzimmerman
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okay, "excellent" business sense is a stretch... especially coming from a guy who just bought a load of used 80s hardcore vinyl on VISA without a currently-functioning turntable... |
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apk
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... I love Mario as much as anybody, and I think it would be cool as hell if he bought the Bucs, but let's be honest, how well were things going for him as Penguins owner before the strike? That is, before the economic structure in the NHL was fair. That is, when it was kind of like how MLB's is now? That's what I thought. And Mr. Ford, dismissing Pat as a Pittsburgh hockey fan because he didn't get into the sport until he like, 8 or 9 years old is pretty stupid. |
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Anthony S.
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... I think Mr Ford is bandwagoner to as he probably didn't give a crap about the Pirates til this morning when Lemieux's name was mentioned in the same sentence. And he probably,like most, did not pay 100% attention to the Pens from 2001-2006 Grow up. |
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GPT
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... True, the Lemieux ownership group didn't spend a ton of money during the Rico Fato/Dick Tarnstrom days, but they have since locked up their young players such as Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Staal and Whitney. And when it looked like the Whitney signing wasn't working out, they didn't cry "poor me" and trade him for a bag of pucks like the Pirates would. They moved him for talent and comparable salaries. That's the key distinction between the Lemieux/Burkle group and Nutting - the former has shown that they will spend money when the time comes. Obviously having a salary cap in the NHL has helped even the playing field as to what players can be paid, but I'm very dubious as to whether Nutting will ever spend. The Lemieux group has money, Nutting doesn't (relative to sports owners). And this isn't a complaint about the Pirates' "plan". For the most part I've been on board when their decisions regarding trading older players for prospects. At some point, however, a plan has to become action. I can have a plan to make Leighton Meester my sex slave but until I roll over and see her in bed next to me, it's just empty talk. |
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stanson
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... GPT, your post is full of holes. the reason the pens have locked up their young stars is because A) the playing field was leveled with salary cap and B) the teams attendance has been off the charts for almost 3 straight years. what "action" would you like to see from the pirates? a $10 million matt morris deal? jeromy burnitz in his twilight years for $6mil? even realistically, signing hank blalock or a middle of the road free agent pitcher probably wont get this team more than an extra win or 2, as jeff clement and dan mccutchen/brad lincoln will probably end up collecting similar stats to those 2 FA types. its obvious that the management group wants to find out what internal resources will fit the bill from these drafts/trades and then go from there. |
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Pittsburgh
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... FIRST POST EVER SO BE KIND I think this news has more value than speculating on what a new management team would do differently than the Nutting Cabal. Unless we keep the light of shame directly on the carpetbagger Nutting and his family, we will never get the PBC to make real baseball decisions over financial ones. Does anyone think Nutting would have started his PR blitz a few years ago if he and his clan could have remained hidden behind McClatchey? Bobs ambition is to have his Daughter become the first female GM in PBC history, even if it's GM of the laughing stock of all baseball. |
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GPT
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... How is my post full of holes? I acknowledged the fact that the salary cap makes a huge difference in the new NHL. Nor did I say we should sign a couple more washed up free agents in order to placate the masses that fixate on payroll amounts. My point, if you followed along, is that I have more faith in a Lemiuex/Burkle led group spending money when the time arises than I do in a Nutting led group. How do we define the right time? Maybe it's when baseball institutes a salary cap and floor (doubtful), or maybe it's when McCutchen gets into his arbitration years and gets over the dreaded $4 million per year mark. This is all a moot point because Nutting isn't selling this team and I don't fault him one bit. He's turning a profit on a god-awful product, there are no expectations for success, and they've succeeded in instilling a built in argument against retaining any player that makes more than the major league minimum (we don't need player X to just win an extra one or two games). Color me surprised if Zach Duke and Ryan Doumit are still Pirates on August 1st. |
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matt w
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you need to look up "carpetbagger" in the dictionary Bob Nutting was born in Wheeling, WV. He's from the area -- unlike McClatchy and Galbreath, the Pirates' previous human owners. Not to mention that the term has a quite unsavory history -- it was originally used by Southerners who were complaining about Northerners who'd moved there after the civil war to try to break up the Southerners' white supremacist system. Also, meh. Do you have any evidence for any of your assertions? |
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Pittsburgh
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... I am perfectly aware of what carpetbagger means and what it refers to. It is best used to refer to a person who moves in from outside to take advantage of anothers misfourtune. A Pennysaver mogul from West Virginia is not from my area. |
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stanson
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... GPT: so we are in agreement that the pens spent money only when it started to make sense to spend money and the economics changed in their favor. and we also agree that the pirates are probably not at that point yet in their process and that the mlb economics wont change anytime soon. so, to me, we have no idea yet if nutting will man up when it counts. just like we had no idea how the pens would treat their situation. we can only hope. i didn't mean to sound nasty, but with nutting only having been involved for less than a decade, its hard to say what hes capable of. |
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PosseDePerez
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Gettin r' done. If stories this didn't happen all the ignorant Yinzers would have nothing to complain about. Well, that's not true as these same people wanted Fleury benched in Game 5 of the Cup Final and Roethlisberger sat just about everytime he throws an incompletion. Regardless it made for interesting Pittsburgh banter. |
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Michael Brown
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a good investment ? I'm guessing that Lemiuex & Burke like the direction the Bucs are headed. Likely they would keep the same management, infuse some cash at the right time, and then reap the rewards. Pretty much what Nutting plans on doing. So the sale would have little impact to us. |
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