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Mario Lemieux offered to buy the Pirates E-mail
Written by Pat Lackey   
Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:05

In news that's guaranteed to prompt the most angry phone calls to drive-time radio talk hosts in Pittsburgh, Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle apparently approached Bob Nutting about buy the Pirates a few months ago and were rebuffed, according to Dejan Kovacevic. My only opinion on this story is this: Bob Nutting has never, ever even remotely hinted (at least not publicly) that he's interested in selling the Pirates and any discussion about a potential sale is only going to be frustrating for everyone. So let's not discuss it.

UPDATE: OK, I realize that I owe everyone a lot better than to be all "whatevs" about it, as my friends at the Pensblog put it.

I, like any other Pittsburgh sports fan my age, love Mario Lemieux. I don't remember a lot about the Pens' two Stanley Cup runs because there's only room in my brain for so much and most of my pre-1994 sports memories are Pirate memories. I know they won, I know it was cool, but that's about it. When baseball went on strike in 1994 and didn't come right back, I was sports starved and I started watching hockey. I was captivated by Jaromir Jagr and the Pens in their own lockout shortened season. As my dad noticed me watching more and more hockey, he told me, "If you think this is fun to watch, just wait and see what happens if Mario Lemieux comes back."

He was right. When Mario returned to the ice the next season, I knew I was watching something amazing, even though I hadn't played or ever really watched much hockey to that point. Even on pre-HDTV, it was like he drew your eyes to him whenever he touched the ice. When he was out there and healthy, it was like everything else slowed down around him.

Like everyone else, I got chills when he scored on a breakaway in what seemed sure to be his last game at Mellon Arena in the 1997 playoffs. The night of his comeback in late December of 2000 is always going to be one of the single best, most inspirational sports memories of my life. When things started going downhill after that season, my friends and I at Duquesne would still Student Rush Penguins games to see him, even if he was a broken shadow of his former self. When he pulled the Penguins out of the fire, first buying the team in 1999 and then striking a deal for a new arena in 2007, he saved a piece of my connection to my city. Seeing the Penguins beat up in the Hurricanes in the RBC Centre with a couple thousand Penguin fans in the Eastern Conference Final last year was an amazing experience. Five hundred miles south of Pittsburgh, we all felt at home in the same building. Mario wasn't on the ice, but he was the only reason that was possible.

There are several reasons my initial instinct was to brush this story off. The first is that it's going to get a lot of yinzers fired up, and I honestly just don't want to deal with that. As much as Mario Lemieux means to me (and to a lot of Pittsburghers) personally, Bob Nutting owes him absolutely nothing when it comes to the Pirates and it's silly to expect him to want to sell the team just because Lemieux and Ron Burkle have asked him about it. Nutting has said time and time again the team is not for sale and there's no reason not to take him at his word.

The second reason is that even if Ron Burkle and Mario Lemieux buy the Pirates, Pittsburgh doesn't get any bigger. The team's contract with Fox Sports Pittsburgh doesn't get any more lucrative. The relationship between the Pirates and the city of Pittsburgh doesn't change. The same fans who will "NEVER GO TO ANOTHER GAME AGAIN" and then continue to go to their one or two games a year and complain about the Pirates will call in to radio shows and write letters to the newspaper about how great this is and how they're on the phone to buy seasons tickets, and then they'll keep on going to their one or two games a year until the Pirates actually start to improve. And as much as Mario is a Pittsburgh icon and as rich as Ron Burkle is, neither of them got to where they are in life by being stupid, and so the money that goes into the Pirates will still be tied closely to their revenue streams and that won't greatly change until the product on the field does. Which means that the Pirates will have to continue to make good decisions to build a farm system to put a good product on the field. To extend an analogy I made earlier this week, if I'm on a road trip from Chapel Hill to San Francisco and I change cars in Tulsa, I'm still in Tulsa.

Which is simply to say that if Bob Nutting were interested in selling the Pirates and the Lemieux/Burkle group were interested, I'd find that news exciting but only with the knowledge that there's still tons of work to be done and though the ownership group's net worth and loyalty to Pittsburgh would have improved, the actual situation that the Pirates are in would be largely unchanged. And since Nutting isn't interested in selling, this is more likely to cause unnecessary wailing and tooth gnashing than anything else.


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mikez said:

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Do you think this would give Nutting the cover to sell the team and get a casino at Seven Springs?
 
January 30, 2010
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Phil Ford said:

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Lived in Pittsburgh, but didn't start watching hockey until the '94 baseball strike? Whatev. Unfortunately, that Carowhina grad school thing and late night video game sessions won't improve your character.
 
January 30, 2010
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Jon Anderson said:

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bwzimmerman said:

beg to differ...
this deal would make excellent business sense for both parties and the team - Nutting's family money is primarily tied to newspaper publishing, wheras Mario&Burkle are about to increase their already profitable sports purse with the benefits of the year-round multi-purpose new arena (ie. parking, etc).

Nutting relieves himself of a headache, adds at least $300m from the sale, and opens the potential of a table gaming license at Seven Springs, shoring up family finances in case of more industry downturn. Mario&Burkle add another profit stream that is minimally competitive with the Pens/Consol. The PBC gets ownership who have not only proven willing to spend money responsibly in both business and sports realms, but more importantly do not have their primary finances tied to threatened industries.
 
January 30, 2010
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bwzimmerman said:

okay, "excellent" business sense is a stretch...
especially coming from a guy who just bought a load of used 80s hardcore vinyl on VISA without a currently-functioning turntable...
 
January 30, 2010
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apk said:

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I love Mario as much as anybody, and I think it would be cool as hell if he bought the Bucs, but let's be honest, how well were things going for him as Penguins owner before the strike? That is, before the economic structure in the NHL was fair. That is, when it was kind of like how MLB's is now?

That's what I thought.

And Mr. Ford, dismissing Pat as a Pittsburgh hockey fan because he didn't get into the sport until he like, 8 or 9 years old is pretty stupid.
 
January 30, 2010
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whygavs said:

Wow
Did I just get accused of being a bandwagon fan? ON MY PITTSBURGH PIRATES BLOG?!?
 
January 30, 2010 | url
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Anthony S. said:

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I think Mr Ford is bandwagoner to as he probably didn't give a crap about the Pirates til this morning when Lemieux's name was mentioned in the same sentence. And he probably,like most, did not pay 100% attention to the Pens from 2001-2006

Grow up.
 
January 30, 2010
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GPT said:

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True, the Lemieux ownership group didn't spend a ton of money during the Rico Fato/Dick Tarnstrom days, but they have since locked up their young players such as Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Staal and Whitney. And when it looked like the Whitney signing wasn't working out, they didn't cry "poor me" and trade him for a bag of pucks like the Pirates would. They moved him for talent and comparable salaries.

That's the key distinction between the Lemieux/Burkle group and Nutting - the former has shown that they will spend money when the time comes. Obviously having a salary cap in the NHL has helped even the playing field as to what players can be paid, but I'm very dubious as to whether Nutting will ever spend. The Lemieux group has money, Nutting doesn't (relative to sports owners).

And this isn't a complaint about the Pirates' "plan". For the most part I've been on board when their decisions regarding trading older players for prospects. At some point, however, a plan has to become action. I can have a plan to make Leighton Meester my sex slave but until I roll over and see her in bed next to me, it's just empty talk.
 
January 31, 2010
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stanson said:

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GPT, your post is full of holes. the reason the pens have locked up their young stars is because A) the playing field was leveled with salary cap and B) the teams attendance has been off the charts for almost 3 straight years.

what "action" would you like to see from the pirates? a $10 million matt morris deal? jeromy burnitz in his twilight years for $6mil? even realistically, signing hank blalock or a middle of the road free agent pitcher probably wont get this team more than an extra win or 2, as jeff clement and dan mccutchen/brad lincoln will probably end up collecting similar stats to those 2 FA types. its obvious that the management group wants to find out what internal resources will fit the bill from these drafts/trades and then go from there.
 
January 31, 2010
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Pittsburgh said:

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FIRST POST EVER SO BE KIND

I think this news has more value than speculating on what a new management team would do differently than the Nutting Cabal.
Unless we keep the light of shame directly on the carpetbagger Nutting and his family, we will never get the PBC to make real baseball decisions over financial ones.
Does anyone think Nutting would have started his PR blitz a few years ago if he and his clan could have remained hidden behind McClatchey?
Bobs ambition is to have his Daughter become the first female GM in PBC history, even if it's GM of the laughing stock of all baseball.
 
January 31, 2010
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GPT said:

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How is my post full of holes? I acknowledged the fact that the salary cap makes a huge difference in the new NHL. Nor did I say we should sign a couple more washed up free agents in order to placate the masses that fixate on payroll amounts. My point, if you followed along, is that I have more faith in a Lemiuex/Burkle led group spending money when the time arises than I do in a Nutting led group.

How do we define the right time? Maybe it's when baseball institutes a salary cap and floor (doubtful), or maybe it's when McCutchen gets into his arbitration years and gets over the dreaded $4 million per year mark.

This is all a moot point because Nutting isn't selling this team and I don't fault him one bit. He's turning a profit on a god-awful product, there are no expectations for success, and they've succeeded in instilling a built in argument against retaining any player that makes more than the major league minimum (we don't need player X to just win an extra one or two games). Color me surprised if Zach Duke and Ryan Doumit are still Pirates on August 1st.
 
January 31, 2010
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matt w said:

you need to look up "carpetbagger" in the dictionary
Bob Nutting was born in Wheeling, WV. He's from the area -- unlike McClatchy and Galbreath, the Pirates' previous human owners. Not to mention that the term has a quite unsavory history -- it was originally used by Southerners who were complaining about Northerners who'd moved there after the civil war to try to break up the Southerners' white supremacist system.

Also, meh. Do you have any evidence for any of your assertions?
 
January 31, 2010
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Pittsburgh said:

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I am perfectly aware of what carpetbagger means and what it refers to.
It is best used to refer to a person who moves in from outside to take advantage of anothers misfourtune.
A Pennysaver mogul from West Virginia is not from my area.
 
January 31, 2010
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stanson said:

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GPT: so we are in agreement that the pens spent money only when it started to make sense to spend money and the economics changed in their favor. and we also agree that the pirates are probably not at that point yet in their process and that the mlb economics wont change anytime soon. so, to me, we have no idea yet if nutting will man up when it counts. just like we had no idea how the pens would treat their situation. we can only hope. i didn't mean to sound nasty, but with nutting only having been involved for less than a decade, its hard to say what hes capable of.
 
January 31, 2010
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PosseDePerez said:

Gettin r' done.
If stories this didn't happen all the ignorant Yinzers would have nothing to complain about. Well, that's not true as these same people wanted Fleury benched in Game 5 of the Cup Final and Roethlisberger sat just about everytime he throws an incompletion.

Regardless it made for interesting Pittsburgh banter.
 
January 31, 2010
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Michael Brown said:

a good investment ?
I'm guessing that Lemiuex & Burke like the direction the Bucs are headed. Likely they would keep the same management, infuse some cash at the right time, and then reap the rewards. Pretty much what Nutting plans on doing. So the sale would have little impact to us.
 
February 01, 2010
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